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I'm thinking that [livejournal.com profile] zenith and [livejournal.com profile] janinazew's 'Airlift America' is a sensible and humane idea. Ideally though I'd like to carve the country into two so that all the sensible people can have their own country and all the fascists can be left to rot in their own. Listening to The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy we have a race that is violently xenophobic towards all other life everywhere, so they get locked in a slow time bubble so they last until everyone else is gone and then can live happily ever after. We need that for the parts of America that voted for Bush. That way they won't bother us, won't consume our resources while trying to kill us, and will live to see doomsday.

But, while Bush winning obviously makes you sad, are you at risk of being SAD this Winter?

Tempting....

Date: 2004-11-05 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyinthehaus.livejournal.com
Except that you have a lot of people in New England who voted for Bush, and a lot of people in the Midwest who voted for Kerry. Coast/centre or North/South doesn't take into effect the urban/rural split. So, although the idea of Canada Magna and the United States of Tairrrrrrr is a tempting one, it would mean forced bussing across state lines, and forcing a whole lot of people to move from urban centres like Atlanta to sleepy rural villages in New Hampshire. Either that or you end up with two nations where a significant minority population is disenfranchised instead of one, with even less hope of change. Maybe the conservatives in Transcanada would be treated with respect and consideration by the liberals, and the reverse in the USTaiiiirrrrrr. Maybe.

Re: Tempting....

Date: 2004-11-05 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] von-doom.livejournal.com
I'm still figuring out what this means:

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Re: Tempting....

Date: 2004-11-05 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-munt.livejournal.com
It's a much better picture, is what it is. The LA Times has a great one, too --I'd put it up, but it's sort of enormous. I'm starting to find the state-by-state map somewhat annoying, and also the assumption that Canada is all blue. When people talk about moving to Canada, they're just talking --right? I don't mean that I think that they're seriously considering packing their bags. I mean that they don't seriously think that this makes sense at all. It just seems really important to me to not leave right now --not just physically, but also not to retreat into fantasy. I mean, I am adjusting for irony & I'm not personally offended by anything that's been posted. But you know, can I get a witness?

Re: Tempting....

Date: 2004-11-05 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyinthehaus.livejournal.com
I think the "move to Canada" thing is primarily a reference, yes? I mean, even if people do not know that they are referencing it, it's a riff on people moving to Canada and the UK to avoid the draft for Vietnam... so, possibility and risk of an actual draft notwithstanding, "Canada" is standing in as "a place where we can be safe". It's an undserstandable reaction, I think, and as a coping mechanism planning one's departure might well have been both distracting and soothing, but as for how many people are actually going to head North... I don't know. Not too many, I suspect. I think the meme will fade once it becomes clear that there *is* no "place where we can be safe" - only at best defensible positions. I think (hope) that the flight response is just a way to cope with a bad thing until people feel more able to confront it. Reagan, after all, had bigger victories in the 80s and people largely stuck it out...

Re: Tempting....

Date: 2004-11-05 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-munt.livejournal.com
Not too many, I suspect.

Right, that part I've got.

Tell me this. This is a phenomenon where the structure I + am + moving + to + Canada does not for the most part represent the sense "I am moving to Canada," or "I believe that moving to Canada is a moral option," but more likely means a host of other things that don't have much to do with "moving" or "Canada," and may even mean "I am not moving to Canada." Because that would make me feel better.

RE: Airlift Amurka

Date: 2004-11-05 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] von-doom.livejournal.com
I'm a little offended by the notion that the UK's really any better. Don't British politics pretty much ride the wave crested by the colonials?

Date: 2004-11-05 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyinthehaus.livejournal.com
Well, we have a National Health Service, our government is attempting to legitimise rather than outlaw civil unions for gay men and lesbians, we have two notionally left-wing national newspapers, and a state-funded national television service with a relationship to the government that has been known to end in court. Nobody except the British National Party has made anything of the fact that the leader of our opposition is Jewish, and it doesn't seem to be one of the many things affecting his electability. Our electorate votes in large numbers for a third party, which has among its principles plans to raise taxes and increase social spending, and has the potential to become the party of opposition at the next election. Although the UK has an established Church, the Church of England plays very little part in setting policy and, beyond Tony Blair's personal Christian faith, religion plays a very minor part in setting the political agenda. A politician advancing the beliefs of, say, Tom Delay or Jim DeMint in a UK election would very probably find himself or herself on the losing side. If Tony Blair said the God wanted him to win and do His work, he would very probably find himself on the end of a vote of no confidence. There are no current plans to introduce a draft, which may be a major factor for some of our younger friends. Oh, and foreign nationals do not to my knowledge get fingerprinted as a matter of course on arrival.

On the other hand, we have no immediately viable opposition party, our Home Secretary has a real down on a number of civil liberties and a boner for compulsory ID card, there is a racist and homophobic extreme right that is politically (largely) marginalised but a constant cause of concern, our upper house remains currently unelected, our ethical foreign policy is nothing of the sort and our troops are currently fighting and dying in Iraq, so you pays your money and takes your choice. However, no - I don't think wave-riding is quite accurate, although there are certain authoritarian trends echoed by the administrations of both. Whether you'd want to move here is another matter, and one which I think depends apart from anything else on what happens next.

Date: 2004-11-05 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blahflowers.livejournal.com
I love you. Can you go and take up American citizenship so I can marry you?

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